To wit: Votes for gay marriage always lose. Court cases for gay marriage always win.
Read this recent wrapup of the court challenge to the recent passing of a constitutional ban on gay marriage in California. Even though it is written by a gay-marriage supporter, it's roseate summary is so overwhelming that even the most ardent supporters of a gay marriage ban would have to admit that their position was not well-represented in court.
What stands out the most after having seen all the witnesses on both sides is how overwhelmingly one-sided the evidence in this case turned out to be. The plaintiffs, represented by some of the most skilled attorneys in the country, laid out a well-crafted, meticulous case, backed by the testimony of half a dozen of the most respected historians, psychologists, economists, and political scientists who study marriage, sexual orientation, and child development. Using the Prop 8 proponents' own outrageous and inflammatory words, ads, and emails, the plaintiffs powerfully demonstrated that Prop 8 was a direct product of hostility, fear-mongering, and demonization of lesbians and gay men. And through the deeply moving testimony of the plaintiffs and other members of our community, they proved beyond question that denying same-sex couples the right to marry causes great harm to LGBT people and their children.Hat tip to Andrew Sullivan.
Stacked up against this mountain of facts, scholarship, and science, the Prop 8 proponents - though represented by fine attorneys - were not able to come forward with a case of their own. Before trial, they dropped nearly every witness they had planned to present and relied entirely on two poorly qualified, ill-prepared expert witnesses, neither of whom was able to establish that banning same-sex couples from getting married has any rational or legitimate purpose relating to procreation, child rearing, tradition, or any of the other justifications that have been offered in the past in support of anti-gay discrimination. In fact, nearly all of the defendants' experts agreed with the plaintiffs that marriage equality would benefit same-sex couples and their families in many real, tangible ways.
Same sex unions in California have the same rights and privileges as hetero marriages. Why do they insist on using one word and pissing off the majority ? That is what it's all about - not civil rights, but "copyrights" to the word. Idiots...
ReplyDeleteSee Chetumaire? You make my point exactly. An appeal to tradition ("separate but equal") and argumentum ad populum ("the majority"): Two logical fallacies couched in emotion ("pissed off" / "idiots"). It's the only way arguments against gay marriage succeed.
ReplyDeleteHere's one for you Chetumaire: Without resorting to the logical fallacies you already used, give one reason why gay people should be forced to settle for "separate but equal" marriage rights. The lawyers defending Proposition 8 in this court case failed miserably. Can you do better?
Forced to settle ? Why should I be forced to settle on the "broke-ass" State of California paying for this fiasco ? California is broke, insolvent, f...ed. New York is next. Texas is fine. Figure out why.
ReplyDeleteTwo more logical fallacies from you, Chetumaire: (1) A rather blatant example of a straw man; you completely avoided the question. (2) A ridiculous post hoc assertion that if gay marriage is legal, it will somehow bankrupt the state in which it is legalized.
ReplyDeleteI rest my case. You've proven my point more than adequately Chetumaire: Opponents of gay marriage can never argue their case without resorting to emotion, religion or tradition, distaste or (now) distraction.
And, just to speak to your straw man anyway: I noticed you left out Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Hampshire and focused only on California and/or New York. Any particular reason why you opted to leave out those particular states where gay marriage is legal and proven to have no effect on state budgets?
Heheh. And I'll throw up my own post hoc argument and straw man just to roil the water... because debating cirlces around somebody is fun: Where is the divorce rate highest? Texas or any of the other states where gay marriage is legal? Where is the out-of-wedlock birth rate highest? Texas or any of the other states where gay marriage is legal? See what happens when you allow gay marriage in a state? Texas should be following those other states' example.